and recent quinnipiac new york times, cbs news poll shows a president with a 5 point lead in ohio. karl rove questions the validity of that particular poll. he says, quote, that survey gives democrats a plus 8 advantage in turnout. the same advantage democrats had in 2008. that assumption, writes karl rove, is to put it gently, absurd. joining us from the weekly starred, kelly jane, is karl rove on to something, do you think? >> possibly. you know, i have to admit i have trouble understanding this obsession that pollsters and pundits have with the numbers and kind of reminds me when i was a kid and couldn't wait until december 25th to see what i got for christmas and wrapped a little of the gift. nobody wants to wait a week and everybody has to know what's going on now. stuart: if you look at things now. the romney camp have to admit the momentum they the got falling the debates has stalled and they're actually in a dead heat. my point is, the momentum has stalled and that has to worry them. >> you're right, it's a dead heat and nobody can deny at that despite the fact that people